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	<description>How can technology increase the reach of microfinance?</description>
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		<title>By: shalini</title>
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		<dc:creator>shalini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look at the iphone and how it has made tech accessible and intuitive Vendors can provide such systems for this burgeoning market.

  Also I would love to prepare case studies of successfl ones. If any of you have any please forward them to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look at the iphone and how it has made tech accessible and intuitive Vendors can provide such systems for this burgeoning market.</p>
<p>  Also I would love to prepare case studies of successfl ones. If any of you have any please forward them to me.<br />
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		<title>By: Tikajit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tikajit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud is pretty far-fetched. Some of MFIs may not understand SaaS, let alone Cloud. I agree Cloud will further reduce the cost because of the infrastructure sharing; then again, as already pointed out, each MFI is unique.   

What I personally think is that there is clear gap between the MFIs and service providers: 1) MFIs may not fully understand technology and its implications; 2)service providers are not so keen on developing software applications for MFIs--it is either stripped-down version of commercial banking software or upgrades of homegrown ones. If you ask me to put these two in order, bridging gap should happen from the service providers. In other words, it is service providers that need to come up with software solutions that is developed particularly for MFIs; understand specific needs of the clients; and work organically from start to after-sales service period. We argue, however, such service providers do not exist. This is where CGAP, GF and other relevant org.s come in to play: they should pitch in to start off a spin-off (of bigger service provider) or develop a program that would eventually produce service providers that work exclusively with the MFIs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud is pretty far-fetched. Some of MFIs may not understand SaaS, let alone Cloud. I agree Cloud will further reduce the cost because of the infrastructure sharing; then again, as already pointed out, each MFI is unique.   </p>
<p>What I personally think is that there is clear gap between the MFIs and service providers: 1) MFIs may not fully understand technology and its implications; 2)service providers are not so keen on developing software applications for MFIs&#8211;it is either stripped-down version of commercial banking software or upgrades of homegrown ones. If you ask me to put these two in order, bridging gap should happen from the service providers. In other words, it is service providers that need to come up with software solutions that is developed particularly for MFIs; understand specific needs of the clients; and work organically from start to after-sales service period. We argue, however, such service providers do not exist. This is where CGAP, GF and other relevant org.s come in to play: they should pitch in to start off a spin-off (of bigger service provider) or develop a program that would eventually produce service providers that work exclusively with the MFIs.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlene Balick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlene Balick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really true that alternative models such as cloud will indeed change the conversation and will help to reduce costs? Would usage of alternative software solutions such as cloud create a sort of &quot;forced&quot; standardizing for the MFIs?   Or will the same customization that is now demanded with traditional software services be equally demanded of cloud and open source?

Are MFIs able to understand internally (and communicate to a board of directors) the benefit of moving towards operating with more standardized processes?  

I think that in order for an MFI to be incentivized to accept the greater standardization (and cost benefits) that come with a cloud solution, they must have the skills and the data to create a valid return on investment analysis to be able to properly analyze this assumption and to weigh the pros and cons of moving to standardized processes.  Operating with a standardized model is often seen as compromising their competitive edge in the market and could be seen as a possible threat to growth.  Being able to accept  standardization means also being able to understand the impact on  the business model, the projected growth and, more importantly, what this means in costs and revenues projections.  I think the MFIs should work closely with investors and donors on these questions and projections/ROI exercises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really true that alternative models such as cloud will indeed change the conversation and will help to reduce costs? Would usage of alternative software solutions such as cloud create a sort of &#8220;forced&#8221; standardizing for the MFIs?   Or will the same customization that is now demanded with traditional software services be equally demanded of cloud and open source?</p>
<p>Are MFIs able to understand internally (and communicate to a board of directors) the benefit of moving towards operating with more standardized processes?  </p>
<p>I think that in order for an MFI to be incentivized to accept the greater standardization (and cost benefits) that come with a cloud solution, they must have the skills and the data to create a valid return on investment analysis to be able to properly analyze this assumption and to weigh the pros and cons of moving to standardized processes.  Operating with a standardized model is often seen as compromising their competitive edge in the market and could be seen as a possible threat to growth.  Being able to accept  standardization means also being able to understand the impact on  the business model, the projected growth and, more importantly, what this means in costs and revenues projections.  I think the MFIs should work closely with investors and donors on these questions and projections/ROI exercises.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of the role of investors to influence the technology decisions of MFIs, there are a few investment funds that have as a primarily role to invest in technology companies that provide &quot;standardized&quot; services (infrastructure, software, etc) to MFIs.  As investors in technology companies, these funds can significantly advocate for the standardization of microfinance back-end solutions because they returns depends on the ability of these companies to capture market share (i.e. a technology provider would be able to increase its market share if it is able to offer flexible standardized products that serve different MFI types); and hence these investors already have a responsibility for resolving the back-end issue in microfinance. 

Regarding the different approaches to reach an initial consensus about what are the technology standards that the microfinance industry should look in a back-end solution, I agree with Jiten’s three step process.  I would probably add an additional step for understanding the cost benefit of using a customized solution vs. a standardized one.   That is what is the additional cost/benefit that a MFI gains from customizing a software vs. adapting its existing processes to the technology application. The reason for adding this step is that MFIs might be more willing to use a standardized solution is they are presented with the financial benefits associated with it.  

Maria’s suggestion about a case study approach to bring some light to this issue is interesting.  I would take it a step forward by ensuring that the findings of the cases studies provide operational approaches that can prove beneficial to both vendors and MFIs.  Using Jiten’s suggesting for process mapping, one of the deliverables (besides a set of standardized business requirements and processes) could be a case study that presents a roadmap for vendors to develop a functional rich and highly configurable back-end system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of the role of investors to influence the technology decisions of MFIs, there are a few investment funds that have as a primarily role to invest in technology companies that provide &#8220;standardized&#8221; services (infrastructure, software, etc) to MFIs.  As investors in technology companies, these funds can significantly advocate for the standardization of microfinance back-end solutions because they returns depends on the ability of these companies to capture market share (i.e. a technology provider would be able to increase its market share if it is able to offer flexible standardized products that serve different MFI types); and hence these investors already have a responsibility for resolving the back-end issue in microfinance. </p>
<p>Regarding the different approaches to reach an initial consensus about what are the technology standards that the microfinance industry should look in a back-end solution, I agree with Jiten’s three step process.  I would probably add an additional step for understanding the cost benefit of using a customized solution vs. a standardized one.   That is what is the additional cost/benefit that a MFI gains from customizing a software vs. adapting its existing processes to the technology application. The reason for adding this step is that MFIs might be more willing to use a standardized solution is they are presented with the financial benefits associated with it.  </p>
<p>Maria’s suggestion about a case study approach to bring some light to this issue is interesting.  I would take it a step forward by ensuring that the findings of the cases studies provide operational approaches that can prove beneficial to both vendors and MFIs.  Using Jiten’s suggesting for process mapping, one of the deliverables (besides a set of standardized business requirements and processes) could be a case study that presents a roadmap for vendors to develop a functional rich and highly configurable back-end system.</p>
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		<title>By: Fehmeen &#124; Microfinance Hub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fehmeen &#124; Microfinance Hub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to clarify a typo in my comment - &quot;It may be worth mentioning that all (or most) of the problems that MFIs face today have been partially attributed to the lack of information systems as recently reported by CGAP&quot;. Here is the article I refer to, for interested partied to read:  http://technology.cgap.org/2010/03/24/to-avoid-crises-microfinance-needs-good-information-systems/

Xavier asks some pointed question and here are my humble views:
 - the basic framework of the ideal information system should come from the experiences and knowledge gained by the microfinance sector, and technology vendors must then fit into the glove provided by MFIs, and offer minor alternatives where necessary. 

 - benefits of information systems begin to materialize several years after implementation, hence, investors looking for quick returns may be reluctant to provide additional capital to build internal controls and other systems for MFIs. Perhaps donors (who typically make long term commitments) should be targeted for funds instead. 

 - There may not be substantial evidence in favor of SaaS solutions, but it seems like a viable option, considering the relatively lower cost of implementation (suitable for small scale MFIs), and it offers great flexibility as well. On paper, it looks good, and only time will tell if it lives up to its promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify a typo in my comment &#8211; &#8220;It may be worth mentioning that all (or most) of the problems that MFIs face today have been partially attributed to the lack of information systems as recently reported by CGAP&#8221;. Here is the article I refer to, for interested partied to read:  <a href="http://technology.cgap.org/2010/03/24/to-avoid-crises-microfinance-needs-good-information-systems/" rel="nofollow">http://technology.cgap.org/2010/03/24/to-avoid-crises-microfinance-needs-good-information-systems/</a></p>
<p>Xavier asks some pointed question and here are my humble views:<br />
 &#8211; the basic framework of the ideal information system should come from the experiences and knowledge gained by the microfinance sector, and technology vendors must then fit into the glove provided by MFIs, and offer minor alternatives where necessary. </p>
<p> &#8211; benefits of information systems begin to materialize several years after implementation, hence, investors looking for quick returns may be reluctant to provide additional capital to build internal controls and other systems for MFIs. Perhaps donors (who typically make long term commitments) should be targeted for funds instead. </p>
<p> &#8211; There may not be substantial evidence in favor of SaaS solutions, but it seems like a viable option, considering the relatively lower cost of implementation (suitable for small scale MFIs), and it offers great flexibility as well. On paper, it looks good, and only time will tell if it lives up to its promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Braniff</title>
		<link>http://technology.cgap.org/2010/07/08/virtual-conference-day-2-getting-past-the-same-old-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-2268</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Braniff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Maria&#039;s idea of conducting case studies to showcase the various models that are open to MFIs. So many MFIs opt for a software solution because the vendor is well known in the country and used by many other MFIs. It would be great to see MFIs exploring the range of delivery models and vendors available to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Maria&#8217;s idea of conducting case studies to showcase the various models that are open to MFIs. So many MFIs opt for a software solution because the vendor is well known in the country and used by many other MFIs. It would be great to see MFIs exploring the range of delivery models and vendors available to them.</p>
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		<title>By: jiten patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiten patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost forgot to mention that Opportunity International has successfully employed a &quot;managed&quot; services model for some of its MFIs, and have done so for approx 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost forgot to mention that Opportunity International has successfully employed a &#8220;managed&#8221; services model for some of its MFIs, and have done so for approx 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: jiten patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiten patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xavier ... 

With regards to your first point, on who could lead ... one needs to pick a narrow band of MFIs to begin with, e.g. tier 3 MFIs (i.e. those with approx 18,000 to 25,000 accounts and not yet sustainable) and split them into geographic groupings, and to include interested software and technology service vendors, and to then have donors and investors fund such an undertaking thru CGAP to do the following:
1. Perform operational Processing mapping exercise - Map the MFI&#039;s operational processes at a sufficient level of detail (without such an undertaking asking MFIs to list their requirements and to expect them to agree would be an exercise in futility), and to document these processes;
2. To then ask MFIs to list any additional requirements

3. To cross-reference findings from each region, and to document similarities as well as differences

This would significantly further progress for the sector, and having such a document would also greatly aid software vendors and like in offering the right set of capabilities. Why? Because they would have a firmer basis, knowing that these common set of requirements touch a good portion of the microfinance market, giving them an added  incentive if they needed it. 

As for challenges with a SaaS offering, i.e. regulatory or infrastructure ... my response would be that the regulatory challenges are present regardless of the approach, and a SaaS vendor, like any software vendor, must do its homework before entering the marketplace to ensure its long term sustainability. 

With respect to infrastructure challenges, again there are solutions to making it work, with the use of a local server, WAN optimization devices, etc ... Again this challenge exists in some instances regardless of the path an MFI takes, i.e. licensing or SaaS or Managed services. The key point here is that the MFI must work with an  experienced team / technology service vendor to proactively plan and manage for such situations. 

Given the vagaries of where MFIs operate, demands certain core capabilities from the software and technology service providers, e.g. a robust offline capability. 

As for successful examples of MFIs using SaaS, I only know of FINO in India who works with a number of MFIs and others offering such a model. The key here is not SaaS but the flexibility and robustness of the core banking software / architecture, which is what makes drives the viability of SaaS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xavier &#8230; </p>
<p>With regards to your first point, on who could lead &#8230; one needs to pick a narrow band of MFIs to begin with, e.g. tier 3 MFIs (i.e. those with approx 18,000 to 25,000 accounts and not yet sustainable) and split them into geographic groupings, and to include interested software and technology service vendors, and to then have donors and investors fund such an undertaking thru CGAP to do the following:<br />
1. Perform operational Processing mapping exercise &#8211; Map the MFI&#8217;s operational processes at a sufficient level of detail (without such an undertaking asking MFIs to list their requirements and to expect them to agree would be an exercise in futility), and to document these processes;<br />
2. To then ask MFIs to list any additional requirements</p>
<p>3. To cross-reference findings from each region, and to document similarities as well as differences</p>
<p>This would significantly further progress for the sector, and having such a document would also greatly aid software vendors and like in offering the right set of capabilities. Why? Because they would have a firmer basis, knowing that these common set of requirements touch a good portion of the microfinance market, giving them an added  incentive if they needed it. </p>
<p>As for challenges with a SaaS offering, i.e. regulatory or infrastructure &#8230; my response would be that the regulatory challenges are present regardless of the approach, and a SaaS vendor, like any software vendor, must do its homework before entering the marketplace to ensure its long term sustainability. </p>
<p>With respect to infrastructure challenges, again there are solutions to making it work, with the use of a local server, WAN optimization devices, etc &#8230; Again this challenge exists in some instances regardless of the path an MFI takes, i.e. licensing or SaaS or Managed services. The key point here is that the MFI must work with an  experienced team / technology service vendor to proactively plan and manage for such situations. </p>
<p>Given the vagaries of where MFIs operate, demands certain core capabilities from the software and technology service providers, e.g. a robust offline capability. </p>
<p>As for successful examples of MFIs using SaaS, I only know of FINO in India who works with a number of MFIs and others offering such a model. The key here is not SaaS but the flexibility and robustness of the core banking software / architecture, which is what makes drives the viability of SaaS.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xavier, USAID has a mandate to promote both MFI institutional and human resource capacity building, and so the topic of making back office systems more robust as a means to this end does, in my view, fit within this mandate.  On a separate note, I would like to challenge somewhat the notion that MFIs are all so unique from one another that they cannot come up with a core set of similar features that can be used as a basis for developing some type of standardized systems.  It is simply not cost effective for vendors to tailor their products at such a granular level.  Finally, I support the idea of donors (and others) funding the research and development of sound case studies that have the potential to yield useful information about a variety of possible solutions, including cloud, SaaS, Mifos (and other open source).  I would point to the case study approach utilized by ACCION and Calmeadow to illuminate some of the salient issues now under discussion on the topic of aligning stakeholder interests throughout the MFI transformation process.  Getting out to the field and gathering information, developing useful and relevant cases studies, and utilizing this analysis as a basis for setting up specific interventions seems to be to be a useful starting point, and one which donors (and others) could be interested in supporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xavier, USAID has a mandate to promote both MFI institutional and human resource capacity building, and so the topic of making back office systems more robust as a means to this end does, in my view, fit within this mandate.  On a separate note, I would like to challenge somewhat the notion that MFIs are all so unique from one another that they cannot come up with a core set of similar features that can be used as a basis for developing some type of standardized systems.  It is simply not cost effective for vendors to tailor their products at such a granular level.  Finally, I support the idea of donors (and others) funding the research and development of sound case studies that have the potential to yield useful information about a variety of possible solutions, including cloud, SaaS, Mifos (and other open source).  I would point to the case study approach utilized by ACCION and Calmeadow to illuminate some of the salient issues now under discussion on the topic of aligning stakeholder interests throughout the MFI transformation process.  Getting out to the field and gathering information, developing useful and relevant cases studies, and utilizing this analysis as a basis for setting up specific interventions seems to be to be a useful starting point, and one which donors (and others) could be interested in supporting.</p>
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