M-PESA and ATMs, interoperability, and the future

by Jim Rosenberg : Thursday, October 8, 2009

We’ve been running an occasional podcast series with some of the voices we’re listening to this year as part of the CGAP/DFID Branchless Banking in 2020 scenarios work.  The process is based on one driving question: How can government and private sector most affect the uptake and usage of branchless banking among the unserved majority by 2020? We’ll release a new Focus Note in November. You can join the conversation directly through this blog, or by posting discussions through our Mobile Banking and Microfinance LinkedIn Group. –Jim


Ron Webb is the Group Technical Director of the Paynet / PesaPoint group of companies. Born in and educated in Harare, Ron has spent most of his working career in Africa, Europe and the Middle East and has worked with most computer operating systems, languages and systems.  An expert in data communications, security and cryptography, Ron has been working with banks and banking systems since 1982 and has extensive experience in the financial transaction arena.  Ron is the architect and designer of all of Paynet’s range of financial products used by over 50 financial institutions.   He has also implemented Paynet’s PesaPoint ATM service extending service to millions of Kenyans.  In 2007 Ron designed and implemented a card-less ATM withdrawal mechanism for Vodafone and Safaricom which provides ATM services to M-Pesa customers.
Ron and I had a conversation  earlier this year about his experiences with M-PESA and the roll out of ATM services – as well as the finer points of just how to get a service deployed that people will want and use.

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  1. October 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, Santanu Sengupta ()

    It was turly interesting listening the way Ron decribed the change management from usual treasury management to transactional banking, which is the way most banks are moving on with as Core banking solutions and internet banking is taking increasing multi dimensional roles offering services like buying host of services using the internet or POS where normally banks would not have earned by dispensing cash in most developing countries.
    Mobile Money WILL prove the next challenge as the customer base increases manifold.

  • October 11th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Peter Goldfinch ()

    An interesting interview. Interoperability the last point discussed is possibly the most critical element to the long term developed of banking transactional services. In the industrialized markets we had to learn this lesson the hard way and many needed to re-engineer their systems to facility interchange. It would be disappointing if the emerging markets neglected to understand that as their markets mature and services move from being strategic to being more a utility interoperability will deliver them the cost savings and profits.

    Our excuse was we did not have the standards but these have now been around for 20+ years.

    Transactional systems are very much about economies scale. Volume is critical to lower costs and volume comes from banks sharing.

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